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You can talk to John and Sally in the bar here - about anything - they're totally rational - and ever so nice - or anyone else - or get drunk and stand on a table and give a speech (you idiot) - or chat to one of our personalities - Reg the barman (conservative commonsense), Marge the barman's wife (fascist), Shirley the Kiwi temporary student bar assistant (intuitive), Binkie (chatline veteran), myself your editor JC (virtually normal - left-wing outbursts). Others will emerge.

John, Sally, Reg, Marge, Shirley, Binkie and JC are fictitious characters invented by the author. All other characters, including you, actually exist and their words and views are their own, they claim. You can remain anonymous if you like or assume a character or even be yourself.

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257619/07/2010 02:11:59+ Jukebox
John: Bit of Rock..
Sally: Electric Blues - Clapton jamming at The Band - farewell concert..
257528/06/2010 01:35:46+ Jukebox
Sally: Becky Jones at Glastonbury 2010 with Groove Armada.
John: Great.
257428/06/2010 01:26:39General chatJC: Select + Jukebox above to see all the songs on John and Sally's jukebox.
257325/06/2010 01:15:06+ Jukebox
257225/06/2010 00:48:02+ Jukebox
Sally: You say you like the occasional country song.
John: Yeah that was nice. The thing about country music is that its lyrics are so often meaningful.
257119/06/2010 01:58:14+ Jukebox
257017/06/2010 00:10:55GulsonaliaBinkie: So I hear. Before that he was selling kitchens to people who already had them. Reckoned he could open a tin of peas through intuition.
256917/06/2010 00:06:04GulsonaliaEfrem: And he's doing all this from a sanitorium in Cleethorpes?
256817/06/2010 00:02:20GulsonaliaBinkie: Which was zero.
256717/06/2010 00:01:01GulsonaliaJC: Descartes said I think therefore I am thus nailing Bishop Berkeley for good. Gulson says he 'therefores' therefore he therefores which he seems to be claiming requires even fewer assumptions than Descartes made.
256616/06/2010 23:58:17Beautiful thoughtsShirley: Binkie, some day I will turn up on your doorstep with a baby that neither of us can recognize. This is what I think.
256515/06/2010 08:54:56General chatJohn: You think you own your computer but sometimes - on mornings like these - it makes it quite clear it has more important things on its mind than running your trivial application. So I'm sort of looking round. For a little laptop I can run to when my desktop has its own issues - perfectly legitimate I know - too much going on in its life - to attend to my trivial, self-centred and egoistic YouTube requests.
256412/06/2010 12:42:45End of a blogSally: Ferdinand, thanks for providing your blog universitydiary.wordpress.com over the last number of years. I don't know how you have managed to come up with so many new topics - often two a day - but they've always been relevant and your comments and those of your bloggers have often managed properly to reveal the immediate issues of higher education in their broader political-economic context. The blog is a great way to level artificial hierarchies too, and I think we would all agree that yours has got people debating with each other who normally wouldn't. I wish you all the best in whatever you decide to do next.
256330/05/2010 15:40:04Socialist ElitismÀ suivre.
256228/05/2010 05:27:34Socialist ElitismSally: So I've heard. Get on with it.
256128/05/2010 05:26:21Socialist ElitismJohn: And I do.
256028/05/2010 05:25:33Socialist ElitismSally: So - an example of deserved and undeserved access to the privilege of Higher Education, if you please.
255928/05/2010 05:19:53Socialist ElitismJohn [interjecting, G&T swirling in his privileged hand]: ... and it is, by our definition ...
255828/05/2010 05:14:32Socialist ElitismSally: Student entry to HE. Let's assume that's a privilege ...
255728/05/2010 05:11:58Socialist ElitismJohn: What - in management or student entry?
255628/05/2010 05:10:14Socialist ElitismSally: Yes, in the context of HE if you like.
255528/05/2010 05:08:44Socialist ElitismJohn: Of what - a deserved and an undeserved privilege?
255428/05/2010 05:07:03Socialist ElitismSally: Give me an example of each.
255328/05/2010 05:05:31Socialist ElitismJohn: Or undeserved.
255228/05/2010 05:00:51Socialist ElitismSally: Let's take the heat out of that word privileged. By privilege we presumably mean an advantage not shared by all. It could be a deserved privilege, yes?
255128/05/2010 04:49:31Socialist ElitismJohn: I bring it up because in the light of the current "budget deficits" of many capitalist countries [he signifies the quotes in the usual manner], some in management positions in HE are considering, in a perfectly detached, disinterested academic manner I am sure, and entirely independently of their own possibly privileged backgrounds, the merits of introducing or increasing tuition fees to be paid by the student.
255028/05/2010 04:31:06Socialist ElitismSally: I should think so - if you select from a smaller set you are likely to miss some of the best, no matter what you're selecting for.
254928/05/2010 04:26:42Socialist ElitismJohn: Could the same be said of HE - Higher Education?
254828/05/2010 04:13:00Socialist ElitismSally: Well it clearly would, but what is your point?
254728/05/2010 04:06:39Socialist ElitismJohn: Imagine how the standard of football would go down if talented children from only better-off families were considered.
254625/05/2010 00:56:28+ Jukebox
254522/05/2010 02:12:45GeneticsFrom: University Blog http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/synthetic-life/#comment-7354 Prof. Ferdinand von Prondzinsky (without his permission - hope he doesn't mind)

Synthetic life?

Ferdinand: Well, here’s something to take our minds off the fruit bats. Craig Venter, the scientist and entrepreneur who was one of those who developed the human genome project a few years ago, has according to news reports managed to create a living cell through an artificial process. It is being described in the media and elsewhere as ‘synthetic life’ though if I understand correctly the process that he has used, it may not be an entirely accurate description, in that he used an existing cell that he then programmed with new genetic information. Or something like that.

And as you might imagine, a group of bishops were off and running the moment the starter’s pistol fired. An Italian bishop offered the following comment this morning:

‘In the wrong hands, today’s novelty could lead to a devastating step into the unknown tomorrow. Man comes to God, but he is not God: he remains human and he has the possibility to give life through procreation, not through constructing it artificially.’

Right now the scientists are not talking about ‘creating’ living creatures, but rather the potential of using this developing technique to treat or cure diseases. But it is clear that the longer term potential of such discoveries should prompt an in-depth ethical debate – which, however, might have to include the question why ‘procreated’ life is ethically more sound than ‘created’ life. But equally we need to ask how far we would go to develop life forms and for what purposes we would ‘use’ them.

There are interesting times ahead.

John: God really ought to understand we created him too. And ethics, come to that.

Sally: I create life every time I give birth.

John: The really exciting thing about genetics to me is that it will enables us to better understand ourselves. The human genome project is a great leap forward in that respect.

Sally: And the really controversial thing is that it will show us we are not all created equal.

John: Yes, it will show we all have different potential strengths and weaknesses and what those are – to quantify them. This is not to say we should necessarily ‘play’ to our strengths – we might equally choose to brush up on our weaknesses.

Sally: And Nature and Nurture will no longer be seen as alternatives, but complementary.

John: On the educational front, we may decide to provide more training to the less-able in a particular area than the gifted, since they need it more.

Sally: That would depend on whether or not we valued uniformity over diversity. Ultimately, I’d leave that to the individual. I suppose it really depends on whether we adopt a man-for-society or society-for-man perspective.

John: Perhaps. We need to think this through.

254420/05/2010 01:57:30Gulsonalia[Much later]:[They all]:

Fall into words which don't care to care,
But caress the heart of the matter.

254320/05/2010 01:14:38GulsonaliaShirley: Innit.
254220/05/2010 01:12:55GulsonaliaEfrem: B-but ... I ...
254120/05/2010 01:01:49GulsonaliaShirley: [pokes out tongue; wipes away mark where the entrepreneur had been] I'll have the Shilpa Shetty Test Match Special [most over-priced cocktail in the bar] please Ef-rem!
254020/05/2010 00:58:37GulsonaliaEfrem: The second line rules you out Shirl.
253920/05/2010 00:55:02GulsonaliaShirl: Unconventional, detached, radical accuracy?
253820/05/2010 00:51:42GulsonaliaJohn: It's a tribute to reason - its beauty.
253720/05/2010 00:49:29GulsonaliaSally: But who's the "Genius in the ether"?
253620/05/2010 00:47:37GulsonaliaSally: Well "calibrating imaginings" evokes Blake of course..
253520/05/2010 00:45:47GulsonaliaBinkie: Well what do you make of it?
253420/05/2010 00:19:42GulsonaliaGulson [read by Binkie, formatted here by JC]:

A genius in the ether,
With her hands in her pockets,
Calibrating imaginings

Avoid contrivance and step from rote conventions,
Fall into the field which will contour your soul,
Fall into words which don't care to care

But caress the heart of the matter.

253320/05/2010 00:06:12GulsonaliaBinkie: Yeah, and he sends us a little poetic fancy from, as far as I know, his death-bed. [not a flicker from anyone]. Um, I'll read it out then:
253220/05/2010 00:00:14GulsonaliaBinkie [points to previous generation mobile in a pool of previous generation beer]: I received a text from the fabulous Gulson today. He's in hospital. [general murmur during which Shirl carries on talking bollox to a self-employed entrepreneurial financial advisor across the bar, as much in self-defence as anything]
253114/05/2010 14:35:26+ Jukebox
253014/05/2010 13:50:09+ Jukebox
252914/05/2010 11:28:35Chatline qua chatlineJC: Fascist Filter 2 removed.
252814/05/2010 10:49:42Geert WildersBinkie: What's the matter Marge - having trouble reading the Daily Mail?
252714/05/2010 10:47:20Geert WildersMarge: Can you tear yourself away from that beatnik and clear those tables? [shouting] Can I have your glasses puh-lease!



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